MC Fireside Chats – October 15th, 2025

Brian Searl: Welcome everybody to another episode of MC Fireside Chats. My name’s Brian Searl with Insider Perks and Modern Campground. I’ve got my Irish hat on mostly because I didn’t shave my head, so I feel like that’s just gonna be my new look. Whenever I wear that Irish hat, you can just assume that I forgot to shave my head.

That’ll be our secret code. No, it’s my new look. Have you seen this yet, Sandy? Like I came back from Ireland and like I feel it fits my personality pretty well. 

Sandy Ellingson: I think it fits your personality. Perfect. I love it. 

Brian Searl: Wait till you see my, are you gonna be at OHI Sandy? 

Sandy Ellingson: Yes. Just for one day. 

Brian Searl: Okay. I have a Irish Donal tweed coat that I bought too.

I don’t normally come home with souvenirs ever, but my family is at least some portion Irish. And then now I wanna do a DNA test to make sure I’m worthy of wearing that coat, but I’m not sure companies that information yet. So we’ll figure it out. Welcome everybody. So excited to be here for you.

This is our, is it 1, 2, 3 third week episode of the month, the 15. Anyway welcome everybody. We are joined by a couple of our recurring guests here, Mike Harrison from CRR Hospitality, Sandy Ellingson from, is it Campground Advocate? Is that now you have an official name? 

Sandy Ellingson: Yeah, it’s, my company is Sandy Ellingson, LLC.

Brian Searl: Okay. That’s what I thought. I thought it was Sandy Ellingson, but Campground Advocate is good. I feel like that’s a name. Didn’t Art Lieberman use that years ago when he was, did you ever know Art? 

Sandy Ellingson: I knew who he was, but I just, that’s the way they describe me for what I do when I started. 

Brian Searl: I feel like I own that domain name. So if you have a $10,000 sitting around, I think I have campgroundadvocate.com. I’m just saying. 

Sandy Ellingson: Ah, gotcha. 

Brian Searl: And then we have, and then we have Hannah all the way from UK. Welcome, Hannah.

Hannah Terry: Hi.

Brian Searl: Oh, we have Sangeetha here who’s gonna join us too. Our other special guests. So we wanna go around the room briefly and just introduce ourselves.

We’ll start with our recurring guest. Mike, you wanna go first? 

Mike Harrison: Sure. Good afternoon. Mike Harrison, with CRR Hospitality, we own and manage luxury RVer Resorts, glamping and hotels. Also do consulting and third party management work for others. Thank you. 

Brian Searl: Thanks for being here, Mike. As always, Sandy.

Sandy Ellingson: I sold a technology company. I was already an RVer and somehow vicariously ended up helping campgrounds and the industry and it became a second career, and I love it. So I do serve as a campground advocate as we were talking about. So most of what I get to do for campgrounds is free. 

Brian Searl: But can you work for me for free too?

Sandy Ellingson: I sure can if you’re working with a campground. 

Brian Searl: Mike, can I work with one of your campgrounds?

Mike Harrison: Not for free.

Brian Searl: Damn it. All right. We’ll figure this out after the show. Hannah, please introduce yourself. 

Hannah Terry: Okay. Hi, I’m Hannah from the UK. I own Wildwoodland Retreat, which did a tiny campsite camping glampsite, goat yoga, different things going on.

And we’re a farm as well, so that’s the main, it was mainly a farm. And then 10 years ago I decided to do the glamping and later on a camping and other things. Yeah, that, that’s me.

Sandy Ellingson: So Hannah, are you including a lot of agritourism in your Glamping? 

Hannah Terry: No. 

Sandy Ellingson: That’s become very popular. We have a lot of people coming from England to one of my parks that’s in Agritourism Park.

Hannah Terry: Okay, that’s interesting. Yeah, the farm is just so bad now, it is just not really earning any money and husband’s just a bit down about it and it’s yeah. So it’s not really knowing where to go with that, with the farm at the moment. So yeah, I haven’t even looked into that or, yeah.

Brian Searl: We’re excited. I’m excited to dive into your property, learn more about it. I specifically, and don’t answer this question yet ’cause we wanna keep the people watching the show for a little bit. ’cause they won’t stay just for me. They stay for the special guest. So I want to know if you can do goat yoga with baby goats too, or if it’s just adult goats. ‘Cause my girlfriend will be on a plane tomorrow. If you can do video with baby goats. You can’t answer yet, they’ll turn off.

Hannah Terry: No, I’m not answer.

Brian Searl: Okay. Sorry. Stay tuned for MC Fireside Chats. We’ll reveal the answer soon. Sangeetha , is it Sangeetha or Sanjitha? I’m so sorry. I know I’m pronouncing it wrong.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: It’s Sangeetha

Brian Searl: Oh, I did get it right. Okay. All right. Perfect. Sangeetha , welcome. Can you please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re from? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yes. So Sangeetha Ramkumar, I’m the owner of Dunya Camp. We’re a glamping property in North Georgia. I’ve been in business for, this is our third year. 

Brian Searl: Awesome. Excited to learn more about, is it Dunya Camp?

Did I pronounce that right?

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Dunya.

Brian Searl: Okay. Excited to learn more about your business. So typically how we start this show is I’ll go to my recurring guests, Mike and Sandy. Is there anything that has come across your guys’ desk in the last month since you’ve all been on the show together that you feel is worthy of discussion or discourse or anything else?

Sandy Ellingson: We’ve had a, an uproar going on since Thursday. The new NEC 551 code was released and there was a document that was released internally with all the guys doing electrical. And a lot of our places that are most popular places to go and read about this kinda stuff picked it up. But AI wrote the articles and they were absolutely incorrect.

So I’ve had a, just literally over a hundred phone calls since Thursday from campgrounds that are concerned about it. And so we’re gonna be putting out a paper on it. We’ve already done a press release, and we’ll be doing I’m gonna do a recorded podcast with one of the people that’s the author of the paper.

And we’ll put that out there for everybody to see. But for right now, I just need to my campgrounds to know, you do not need to panic. You do not have to convert every single one of your pedestals immediately. And it’s not a requirement on the campgrounds, it’s a requirement on the industry. 

Brian Searl: So for clarity, for the people who don’t know what that is, the. 

Sandy Ellingson: Okay. So the NEC is the organization that oversees all of the the way electrical things are put together and monitored and safe. So there’s been a lot of discussion for a couple years about the hooking up to your, hooking your RV, up to the pedestals in campgrounds. And it’s been a very hot topic because the types of pedestals, the age of the pedestals, the safety of the pedestals has been, concern because some of the older pedestals have not been replaced in 30 years.

And then these newer campgrounds come in with a higher energy draw and there, there could create some problems. And so there’s been a lot of discussion on how to fix that. The parks have been afraid in the past about that. And so now basically what they’re gonna be doing is just making the OEMs, the people that make the RVs are gonna be a little bit more responsible for it.

And there are gonna be some things coming for the campgrounds, but not requirements and things that actually might help them long-term with marketing their parks. So I’m working on that with them. We’ll see how that goes. But it all talk, it’s all about how the pedestal at a campground connects to an RV.

Brian Searl: Is it true that when the government is shut down, that you don’t have to follow any of the laws?

Sandy Ellingson: Exactly.

Brian Searl: So I can ignore that for now. ’cause AI told me that too. I just wanted to make sure that was the case. So don’t worry about this until the government. No, I’m just kidding. Definitely don’t listen to me for legal advice.

Mike, anything that’s come across your desk? 

Mike Harrison: We finished up the Glamping Show, last week, which I think was, a great evolution of what it’s continued to be. And I think some of the big news that was released without, being repetitive, but I don’t think it’s repetitive for those that aren’t aware, is, Marriott’s news about getting into the space.

Going into the deep end, obviously last year they bought postcard cabins, but. Last week they announced the Marriott Bonvoy Outdoor Collection. They were at the lodging conference in Scottsdale last week presenting with several of, we would know many of the glamping manufacturers to get really fully engaged in the outdoor space.

And depending on which perch you sit on, that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Ultimately I think it’s an incredible thing. It’ll bring more awareness, distribution, marketing, knowledge, data, everything that, we’ve been yammering for to help grow the space. So I’m pretty excited about that.

Brian Searl: Yeah, I think I and again, we don’t wanna spend too much of the show on it ’cause we’ve covered a few other places. I think we talked about it last week on the show briefly, and then obviously the Glamping Show and it’s been all over LinkedIn and we did a little bit of a take with my, myself and Scott Bahr on this, on Outwired last week.

And I agree with you. The attention is good. I think it will bring awareness to the ability of people to who maybe have not considered cabin rentals, like postcard rentals are staying out, being more connected in nature without the walls around them of shared rooms. I think to me it’s questionable about how far they’re pushing into Glamping.

’cause the word Glamping is not used in many places on their website and there’s a lot of hotels that they’re including in this package. And to the best of my knowledge so far, despite those vendors being there, and obviously this is gonna change and this is gonna evolve and we don’t know where this is gonna go yet ’cause Secret Creek was there, like you’re saying in Zuck and the OOD mirror cabins and things like that.

I have I’ve seen hotels be part of this collection and cabin rentals. I haven’t seen what I would consider real Glamping, which doesn’t have a definition, but the, in like from our industry side of it. That diversity of a resort experience around Glamping. So we’ll see. Like it definitely is not going to hurt.

But I’m tempering my expectations, and then I’ll just be pleasantly surprised, which I hope I will be. So it’ll be interesting to see. 

Sandy Ellingson: Yeah. My question was, if you put a tent on a patio on the 12th floor of the Hilton in New York City, and they have to go inside and use the public bathrooms, is that glamping?

But they’re getting $700 a night for it. 

Brian Searl: I don’t know. It’s a good business model. 

Sandy Ellingson: So. 

Brian Searl: Who cares what it’s called.

Mike Harrison: I think as we’ve spoken on this show multiple times, glamping can be whatever you define it as, right? 

Brian Searl: Yes. 

Mike Harrison: There are the pure, there are the purists who say glamping is only a yurt on the side of a cliff overlooking the stars.

There’s no one around you. But, I think as we’re seeing Glamping evolve to many different definitions, there’s glamping in an RV resort, there’s Glamping only properties, there’s multiple glampings, there’s Auto Camp, there’s postcard.

And I think ultimately you know what it does is it just, it, it brings awareness to the space and will absolutely have people hunting for outdoor hospitality, whatever that looks like. However that’s defined from a glamping standpoint. It will provide, marketing dollars power driving for data that we haven’t, been able to be fully successful with on our own yet it will absolutely evolve the space.

So whatever that looks like and how you define whatever they deliver to be determined. But it for sure will, will enhance the space overall. 

Brian Searl: I for sure agree with that. It for sure is going to push operators forward. It’s gonna evolve the space.

Yeah, I’m a hundred percent on board with that. I’m just not sure how much of a benefit it’s gonna be to the existing glamping industry, but we’ll see. Like I’m not, I’m neither optimistic nor pessimistic. I’m just saying let’s see, ’cause glamping we looked at the website is not all over the place.

Yeah. Right there. Which it doesn’t need to be. That’s not the, necessarily the word that has to be used. I think outdoor hospitality, luxury camping overall is probably a better fit, but.

Sandy Ellingson: And I was actually working on some of the research for one of the hotel chains vicariously through a friend, and when they researched the word glamping, they strategically chose not to use it because all of the historical research they found, not just not looking at current, but everything, there was more references to glamping or being a glamper from what its original context was, which meant you were camping in an RV, tent camping was camping, glamping was camping in an RV, and so they did not want to be confused with that. And so that’s why they’re strategically not using that. 

Brian Searl: What do you think Sangeetha? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: I agree. I think glamping is really not something even, so I used to work for IHG for 11 years, it was. 

Brian Searl: Okay, now we’re even more interested in what you think. So go ahead. We’re interested before, but I’m just saying that adds a credibility layer.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah. So yeah, that was my world. It’s just, yeah, they’re, the optics are important and they’re not gonna invest in something that they’re gonna have to spend a lot of money to overcome existing meanings. They’re just not gonna do that. They’re just gonna take the easy way out.

So yeah, I agree. I think glamping is gonna be less relevant to them. Luxury camping, outdoor hospitality are gonna be much more viable. 

Brian Searl: So I know we want to talk mostly about Danya Camp on here. But will you please give us your, just from working at 11 years at IHG, how do you feel like the hotel industry will change, evolve, adapt to the space. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: To this space? My gosh, I think there’s already rumblings.

Brian Searl: Yeah, there is. But will they dip their toes into it? Will they go more into it like Marriott will they? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: It’s still nascent, right? When you think about large companies like that, they’re not interested in smaller properties and right now the landscape is a bunch of millions of smaller properties.

That’s not something they’re interested in. It costs them too much money to go chase these smaller deals. They’re looking for consolidated entities, whatever that is. Like design hotels, Marriott, as an example, some guy put a bunch of hotels and called it design hotels, but he did all the grunt work and there were quite a few properties under that umbrella. And Marriott just swooped in and bought that.

So it’s, that’s what I’m envisioning is gonna happen if the glamping operators are smart. They’re not gonna go one by one to find these smaller deals. So that’s just my take from based on. 

Brian Searl: So we either need a glamping operator that’s going to build their own brand, almost an Under Canvas did. Exactly like Under Canvas did. Or something like that. Or a postcard cabins, or things like that. Or we need somebody who’s gonna do some consolidation work, some standardization work of acquiring existing properties and turning them into something similar. And then Marriott acquires them.

So like it eats up the food chain. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Exactly. That’s pretty much all. 

Brian Searl: Okay. Tell us about, is it I don’t know if I’m pronouncing it right, Dunya Camp, Dunya. I feel like I’m pronouncing it wrong. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah, but there were other way to pronounce it is Dunya. 

Brian Searl: Dunya. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us about Dunya Camp. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah. So this was a post IHG post COVID or during COVID project.

It was actually my, one of my, what I called my little project, which ended up being not so little after all. ’cause I was chasing so many other deals at that time. Mostly in the traditional hotel space, but somehow this is the one that kind of survived, it, and it was a lot of work. As they say, it’s the same amount of work, whether you’re doing a hundred million dollar deal or $5 million deal.

So yeah, so this was, I’ve always wanted a brand of my own. I just didn’t think it was gonna be in the Glamping luxury camping space. But it just happened, I think I also got married and my husband is very much an outdoors person. He’s an outside cat. I’m an inside cat.

And so we had to compromise on vacations and so that was the genesis for the idea is we went camping and I was like, how do I do this but not this? And yeah, that’s how the idea started. 

Brian Searl: Did you say it started as an IHG project or you were just workingat IHG that time? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah, this was post IHG.

Yeah, this was, I left right before COVID to go do my own thing and then COVID happened and I had all this free time. 

Brian Searl: So what was your idea behind this when you first got it started? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: So it was based on a camping trip that I took with my husband. We went to we went out west and camped for three nights, and it was quite, quite experience for me.

I’m not really a camper. And it was just one of those conversations you’re like this would be nice, but if, and then all of a sudden in my hotel hat, it’s I wonder this could be something. Not that Glamping wasn’t a thing.

Brian Searl: Yeah.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Marriott was putting up tents at Coachella for years, so it wasn’t anything new. It’s just was new to me. So I had to do a little bit more research and yeah, we really liked the idea of it being some something different. It’s not. 

Brian Searl: So how did. I like what, I guess my first question is what makes doing a camp different in your mind and through your eyes?

Sangeetha Ramkumar: I think the design, we really invested heavily in creating something that felt very different from your everyday world. That was important to me. ‘Cause when you spend this kind of money, you wanna be somewhere else. And so having the opportunity to drive two, three hours and feel you’re in a completely different continent that, that was the draw.

So we wanted to create something that was very special, very beautiful, very crafted. Didn’t feel like, ’cause even luxury hotels these days, it’s just mass produced. Yeah, the room is all the same. You spend $2000 a night, it’s still the same room. We try to make it a little bit bespoke.

Not everything is bespoke, but quite a bit of it is. 

Brian Searl: Did you model it off something? Did you see, take inspiration from anything? Did you. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah, quite a bit. Gosh, we looked at Jack’s camp, all of the South African projects. Yeah, quite a few hotels. More kind of old school lottery hotels.

A lot of Moroccan Riyadh. Yeah, it’s quite, it was all over the place in places I’ve been to, liked. 

Brian Searl: It is interesting to me, like I, and we’ve had a couple guests mention this on the show previously, but how I don’t know if it’s fair to say this, I haven’t done enough research, but I think like you could say that glamping was basically modeled off of some of those African camps, right?

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah. And then if you go back, even historically it was modeled off the Kings, the Indian Kings elaborate tents, so do the Persian Kings, those tents are now sitting in a country house in the English countryside actually, and you can go see them. They’re quite elaborate.

Yeah, they’re, it was the original glamping. It was for royalty. And.

Brian Searl: I feel like that would be a good show. Mike, can you sponsor me on a trip to go see those? 

Mike Harrison: I’ll be right there.

Brian Searl: Okay. Thank you.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah, so there’s some precedent. Yeah. Thing it goes back centuries. 

Brian Searl: It really it is, it’s fascinating to me. And I guess I, maybe that’s a story that we for sure need to dive into. Sharah, if you’re listening, we need to find some guests to talk about that. Maybe we can find the people from the property who have the tents or just maybe even a couple historians to talk about it, because I think that’s something fascinating that like we talk about Glamping is new in the United States, and then we talk about how the UK, we’re gonna get to Hannah here in a second.

But like how, glamping is much more evolved in the UK but like nowhere is as evolved as what we’re talking about with the Pharaohs and the Kings and the African safari camps and things like that. And that’s the roots of where all that stuff come from. I think it would be fine. Funny, not funny. It would be interesting too. Learn the history of all of those things.

So tell us how did you end up choosing your location and where you’re at and what your kind of mission is, and who your guests are that you wanna serve? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: I’m from Atlanta. That’s where I live during the Olympics in 1996.

I’ve been there since then. And so Georgia is my home state. So I did look for land. It took a year. Land I think is the most important character in land, in luxury camping. It’s just, it’s the primary it’s the main star. So you’ve gotta find the right land. It’s gotta feel good, it’s gotta have the good views.

It’s gotta be worth, driving up there and being there. So it took us a while. I think that was the hardest part. It was finding the right piece of property. We looked all over Tennessee, North Carolina, and then ended up in North Georgia, but actually the northwest corner of the state, which I have no clue.

I had no clue. I didn’t even know how this portion existed. But I saw the property advertised on Land Watch and they had this company out of Colorado had just bought. I dunno, several hundred acres and they were carving it up and yeah, we went to go see it and it was just stunning. 

Brian Searl: Mike, I’m curious I’m gonna put you on the spot here for a second.

Mike, have you, has CRR ever considered like doing a glamping only resort, either from management or from ownership? 

Mike Harrison: Absolutely. We’ve considered several times. We’ve looked at a couple on our own. We’ve still got a couple pieces of land that we’ve been, looking to cultivate for three or four or five years.

We just haven’t found the right best use case and the demand factor, we just haven’t felt was the right opportunity. We’ve spoken to multiple investors and partners. About glamping only. We have three that we’re working on right now that are in various stages that may or may not come to fruition that will either be partners or con or management companies on.

But it’s, the glamping only properties, we go back to the earlier discussion, there’s several versions. Like looking at Sangeetha’s property, there’s seven, eight, $900 a night type units, which, you’re not typically gonna find a 40, 50, 60 Glamping only unit type property of those kinds of units.

They’re typically gonna be, three to 10 to 12, Bolt Tree Farms is another one. There’s examples of those. And then there’s the, $ 300 to $700 type units, Auto Camp version, if you will, postcard cabins. And it depends on what kind of access to capital you have, what your demand factors are.

I think it’s becoming more, and we just talked to a client yesterday where five, six years ago we pitched something. They had pitched something, I should say. And it was a 60, 70 unit project and back then nobody had heard of that kind of thing. And now it’s back on the table five years later.

Feasibility study says it works. And long story short is yes, it just needs to be the right opportunity. They’re far more expense. They’re outdoor lodging units.

Brian Searl: Yeah.

Mike Harrison: But it also depends again, what your definition. If you’re a purist and you want three, five units on the side of the Grand Canyon versus a 60 unit glamping property they’re not exactly the same thing.

Brian Searl: No.

Mike Harrison: Which is what’s fun about it. They never will be. It’s not a courtyard compared to a courtyard. Compared to a courtyard. They’re all unique, they’re all individual. They all have. Bespoke DNA, and so it’s not a one size fits all answer. I don’t know if that answered your question.

Brian Searl: Yeah, I think so. That’s the ’cause we hear, we, like I, I come from this world of mostly RV resort hybrid cabin rentals, glamping, and then I’m getting into over the last five years the pure glamping resorts. And so it interests me to hear from the people who have started in the RV Resort environment. Is that still now that you’ve been exposed to glamping and the changes in consumer behavior and the rise of places like Hip Camp and Harvest Hosts and the need for greater experiences and the diversity of the economy and all those things, are you open to like maybe camping or whatever you wanna call it, can exist without RV’s in some places in the right use case with the right feasibility study.

That’s I wanna get to Hannah’s story, but I have one more question for you, Mike. If Marriott opened franchising for an outdoor resort that was more of a hotel, but still connected to nature, would you be in line? 

Mike Harrison: A hundred percent. We’re an approved Marriott manager company right now. Number one.

Number two is, if you look at the new Marriott Bonvoy Outdoor Collection they didn’t just open 450 glamping resorts, right? If you go through them, they’re curated properties that are outdoor hospitality ish 

That include experiences more than like what Sangeetha property is, which is built out of the side of a mountain in an incredible unit.

You know where this goes and how this evolves. It’s very nebulous, which I think is good. Because it can be one of many different things. So they’ve already opened it. That’s the entire intent of that out Outdoor Bonvoy Collection is to, create this different segment. But what it ends up being, is up for discussion. And I don’t think anybody will be able to answer it. If you look at that collection of properties not one of them is gonna be the same. 

Brian Searl: No, but I think that’s the beauty of it, right? I think the idea is I want to have a place where I can be connected to nature. And if that’s in a separate individual safari tent, if that’s in a disconnected postcard cabin, if that’s in a resort in Costa Rica where like maybe three or four people are next to me, but I have my own private balcony overlooking the jungle and I can walk out the back door and go on hiking trails through the rainforest that’s what I just wanna be connected to nature.

And I think there’s so many different opportunities for ways to do that, that Marriott is gonna open up kind of that, like you said the capital, the vision, the ability for people to more seek legitimacy, I think in this industry, not that it’s not legitimate already, but from banks and cities and developers and all those kinds of things. I think it brings in those. 

Mike Harrison: And you just said it is how I define it, right? Outdoor to, access to the outdoors. If you go back to the original definition of glamping, it’s glamorous camping, right? And so what does that mean? There is no, you’re gonna break the law rule depending on how you define it.

But we just had a session yesterday with our entire leadership team about, is it a vacation rental unit or is it a glamping unit? And really to me, what differentiates the glamping unit is how do you leverage the outdoors, right? What, where is your property sit? What does the programming look like? How are they engaging wellness?

What’s the holistic experience? Because otherwise it’s a vacation rental unit, you might as well Airbnb put the code in the door, enjoy your status. 

Brian Searl: There’s some pretty nice Airbnbs that are connected to nature though. But anyway 

Mike Harrison: Of course, of course. But that’s exactly how we defined it yesterday is really, where these units differentiate themselves is you have access to the outdoors in some form or fashion, and then the unit is, while it’s certainly important component, it’s the experience that, that separates it more than anything else.

Brian Searl: For sure. And I should have. 

Mike Harrison: I’ll shut up. 

Brian Searl: No, I should have I should have led up this for the show too. Sangeetha or Hannah, after we talk to you in a second obviously feel free to ask, like we want you guys to be interactive in the conversation. Please don’t feel like we have to wait for you to come to you.

So if you have a question for Mike or you have a question for Hannah or Hannah, you have a question for Sangeetha or whatever. Please. We’re just, the more I, the less I talk, the better the show will be.

Hannah, please. So sorry it took so long to get to you. We were having a good conversation and I know it’s late over there in the UK. Tell us about your property please, but don’t give away the goat yoga yet. 

Hannah Terry: So our farm’s about 240 acres. So it’s a small farm. It, so it’s my husband’s family farm. His granddad bought the farm. And 10 years ago a bit, no, 10 years ago I started the glamping. Prior to that few years before I was training as a lawyer and I was in my last stages of training, but I became quite ill with something called LED sensitivity.

A lot of people dunno what it is. It just means you can’t be around like the laptop. I’m, I’ve got everything wide. There’s no wifi, no phone nothing wireless. Yeah.

Brian Searl: Okay.

Hannah Terry: So I became really, I came really sick in my career. Okay. So I had to just leave it, and then I just spent money, like everyone does.

Trying to get better from something, spend a lot of money on trying to get that. Anyway, I had a house that was my only home in the age of 19. And then obviously I moved in Mark at the farm and I sold my little house to buy, first of all, I was gonna get a tree house. Okay. To have on the farm in this beautiful area on the valley hillside.

But the ones I was looking at were hundred 20,000. And that was the money I had. 127,000 pounds from my house that I sold. And then my mom she lives in Australia, but she was over at the time and she said, why didn’t you look at these shack. You could get two for the less than that. So that’s what I ended up getting to two Shepherd’s Huts to begin to earn myself some money because I’d always been quite self-sufficient like that and had my own career.

So I wanted to do something and the farm was never earning enough for the family really. So that’s how it began. And my daughter was 18 months old and that was fun trying to do everything with an 18 month old in tow. And my son was about five there. And I did, yeah, I did everything then I did all the cleaning, I did the ironing.

I run and got the breakfast packs, the barbecue packs the milk from the local dairy. Oh my gosh. I never realized how much work it would be. It was a lot. Yeah. 

Brian Searl: That’s why I am a podcast host. I’m not brave enough. 

Hannah Terry: I was like, oh my gosh. And I had a friend who helped do some cleaning after I, was it the first year?

Maybe I got to help, but it was now and then I still did most of it. Yeah. And yeah just full on. But two Shepherd’s Huts. So we’ve got like a Rewild Valley. So 10, 10 years ago, actually same time we put the Shepherd’s Huts there, we stopped putting the cows in so much. So instead of one oak tree in the valley, we now have loads of trees.

So it’s remodeled itself. And we have Sheperd’s Huts on a valley hillside, all on its own. No one else around. Not near a road, not near any houses. And then we had the woodland hut in our ancient woodland, which is about 10 acres of ancient woodland. And we don’t have the Woodland Hut there anymore.

’cause we took it away because we thought we’d do something different, something bigger. ’cause these Shepherd’s Huts are quite small. They’re like 15 foot by six foot seven, something like that. But then we never did anything in the woodland. So the Woodland hut is now sitting out on our field not knowing what we are gonna do with it.

But I have made a decision with the Valley. One to get, to build a larger unit because it’s not big enough for family. I want to be able to have families stay comfortably. So that’s gonna be our focus, but it’s just gonna be one nice unit now. ‘Cause we haven’t really got funds to do two anyway now, to be honest, really.

So we need to do one nice one. Three years ago we started just doing it. Oh no. Before that. So we missed out a bit after COVID. I decided to buy some of these Lotus Bell tents I you seen in the stargaze at Lotus Bell Tents. Beautiful tents. Okay. I bought two of those and that’s, so we had the two hearts and the two Lotus stargaze and we run those for two years.

So that was the first year after COVID, and that’s when it became really busy that year. Everyone was desperate just to come out get out in nature. But at the same time in England, a lot of people started opening up campsites, glampsites a lot easier than it was for me. So for me it was hell going to the local council, they were awful.

They were not supportive. But come COVID time people could get these special licenses, it was a lot easier. Okay. So a lot more popped up. But we thought, yeah, we’d run this, we’d be busy. And but to be honest, the tents in the second year, and it was a hot summer. We began to get mold on them and I was like, what is, I can’t be doing this. I can’t. So we just did two years of the Glamping tents and that’s it. Got rid of them. 

Brian Searl: Yeah. There’s a lot of rain in the UK I feel like that’s probably a, an issue for people with those kind of tents. 

Hannah Terry: Yeah. Yeah. And it was I guess as well, one’s on the side of the woods where you get the sun and then you get obviously the change in temperature and then that’s when the mold comes, doesn’t it?

And I thought, oh, I can’t do this. Yeah. And yeah, the rain one year wasn’t so good and yeah, we just stopped doing, went back to the huts and then opened up for some camping pitches instead. That’s the best thing I could have done is the camping pitching. Yeah. 

Brian Searl: So I’m curious as a smaller operator, can I call, is that fair to call you a smaller operator?

Hannah Terry: Yeah, it’s tiny. Tiny, yeah.

Brian Searl: As a smaller operator, how do you look at it’s been 10 years, you said since you started your first glamping accommodation. Yeah. Or whatever we’re calling it. We haven’t decided yet. The outdoor hospitality Marriott, non bonvoy, glamping, luxury camping, RV, adventure, whatever we’re calling it.

So since it’s been 10 years since you’ve had that, have you, you’ve watched the glamping industry maybe in the UK grow up and change around you.

Hannah Terry: Yeah.

Brian Searl: Does that impact how you think about operating your business, or are you just satisfied? Yeah. Like how does that. 

Hannah Terry: Yeah, okay. So what’s happening, it used to be bell tents, a lot of bell tents. That was the first thing, shepherd huts. Then it’s exploded into so many shepherd huts and then. Yes, tents. But now it’s evolved to more more high-end stuff really. So we are left behind a bit, really with our shepherd huts 10 years ago compared to, everybody wants the hot tubs now.

That kind of thing, I don’t want to, I don’t wanna be doing that. I don’t really wanna be, the water flow’s quite slow. It helps, it’s very off-grid anyway. I don’t wanna be empty hot tubs every 48 hours trying to work out what to do in the water. I like people who just wanna come for nature and the location.

It’s stunning where it is. It, so it’s definitely the demands have got higher, I would say a hundred percent from just being a beautiful place in, a beautiful place in nature with yeah, simple accommodation really. It’s changed a lot and there’s so much in England now, it’s swamped really in the market.

Brian Searl: Do you feel like, has it changed the consumer demand for the types of accommodations they want or has it expanded the market? To just reach more people? 

Hannah Terry: Yeah, good question. I don’t know, because looking at the, what we’ve earned actually saying it, so what we’ve earned from the first year to now, I was thinking it’s about the same, but actually saying that it’s gone down if it’s the same amount of money, if it was 10 years ago.

So yeah. May yeah. I mean we get a lot of returning guests. We get a lot of people who love it here. But I, so at the moment I’m a bit confused what to do for the best. Really. I’m in that situation at the moment. I know the camping has done better really than the glamping put together.

‘Cause I know that was one of the questions for me to look at list was does the higher end, like the glamping support the, more of the building facilities for the camping and things? Actually no, for me, the camping has been better financially than the glamping. ’cause there’s so much to think about with glamping units so many costs. And with the camping, there’s just not. 

Brian Searl: Can I put you on the spot, Mike? How would you diagnose this and help her decide what to do?

I know you only have 30 seconds and there’s obviously deeper things and things you need to know and all that, but how would you just start to approach this if you were her? 

Mike Harrison: To me, numbers and data always tell the story. You got to analyze, which has the higher revenue potential, but it isn’t necessarily about revenue, it’s about profit.

And so what we always say is if you look at, profit from a margin standpoint, your RV site is always, your camping site is always gonna be more profitable. From a margin standpoint, however, your glamping is always gonna be more profitable from a dollar standpoint. You can’t take margin to the bank, you can take dollars to the bank.

What answers that question is what is your demand, for those and what is your operational load? It’s a far bigger question than just, throwing that out. But I would look at your numbers and analyze, what is your potential, but what is your more profitable, which is gonna be the glamping.

It’s just a question of, what’s the demand for there that you can drive that. 

Brian Searl: Yeah, for sure. I, it’s way more complex, right? I just wanted to give our audience to people who are listening and then her some, like, where do I start? ’cause I think that’s a big blocker for a lot of people who are building glamping sites or trying to expand or deciding whether to add RVing or subtract RVing or whatever else is where do 

Mike Harrison: it’s, it’s a good point, Brian and the way we look at it too is, you can.

And there’s different kinds of glamping, right? Especially if you already have Campspots that have hookups. You can certainly look at park models, which you can just plug and play, right? You can get some cabins, that are designated as RVIA vehicles, park models that you can classify as glamping, which you’ll certainly get a higher rate at.

And, you can be flexible with your space. You can move them. Not that you would, but in and out, so to speak. Versus, what’s a different type of Glamping unit, like a yurt or, permanent structure, et cetera. But really the demand will dictate, what you can and should do if the demand says if you’re sold out every weekend on your Glamping units then you’re not charging enough.

And if you’re sold out on your glamping units, then you could probably use more. But in general, you’re going to want to land on as many Glamping units as you can that remain profitable while you’re maximizing your occupancy revenue and profit. The answer to that is the individualized, per property.

Sandy Ellingson: Yeah. And I don’t know more all about what you do on your farm, Hannah, but I’ve got two parks that are agritourism parks. I don’t own ’em. I work with them. One is in central Florida and he has Longhorn cattle, and he’s the one that I was telling you people have heard about him and they fly in from New York and all over the world ’cause their kids have never seen a live cow, never seen a goat, never seen all these things.

And literally he’s got all this property. He could probably put 10,000 camp tents on it. He only had 10 hookup sites for RV. But people will come in and stay in tents even though they may or may not be campers for the experience of seeing what’s going on in his farm. My other friend she runs a, an equine therapy. She had to have a big farm. She’s big into horses, so she does equine therapy. Her husband was construction, had no insurance, and fell off a ladder off the top of a roof and broke his back. 11 months in a cast, and they were about to lose the farm. And so she came up with this idea of inviting people to come to their farm and just, if they had an RV, they were boondocking.

If they wanted to come in tent camp, they could bring their own tent or she would sell ’em one and just a rent ’em one. And literally in three months, they had paid off all of their debt for their past, for the past due bill from her husband being out because people would come just to camp on their property, kinda watch what was going on with her equine, see the horses.

They also had chickens and goats that they just had for fun. Her oldest son was 17 years old and they would do a big breakfast where the kids would go collect the eggs and they would, they also had pigs and stuff too. But anyway, the little kids that were coming, they were getting the eggs out of the hen house and they thought they were getting to eat the eggs that they had just gotten.

And so it was this huge thrill for them. And so then, they’ve combined that now, but they have one event a year that’s a big music thing that benefits her equine nonprofit that brings in over a hundred thousand in net profit. And they never invested in one piece, not a building, not a tiny home, nothing.

They bought tents from Walmart, so I think there’s a lot of possibilities for where you are just to get started and then that may fund more of what you wanna do. So you get to where Sangeetha is. I text you and saying, I’m three hours south of you and I have got to come see your location. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Come visit. We’d love to host you. 

Brian Searl: Charge her a double Sangeetha. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah. 

Brian Searl: She’s got money. She’s got seven RV and travels around the country. She’s got like 700 camps she works with. You gotta, oh, we did, you did say you work for free though, didn’t you? All right. Maybe. 

Sandy Ellingson: Yeah. But, the industry takes care of me.

They make it, they understand the importance of having good campgrounds and enough of the, what we call known and desirable sites. And so they take good care of me to make sure I am helping to solve industry problems at campgrounds, and it just works. 

Brian Searl: How do you think about this Sangeetha at your property?

How do you think about the guest experience and how you continue to evolve that for the people that you’re serving? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah, I mean I think that’s, and that, that’s the core of what we do, right? At the end of the day, we wanna create something that people feel like it was worth their money to come, come here and spend the time.

Yeah, I mean it’s it’s obviously maintaining the properties, spend a lot of time in maintenance. ‘Cause that’s the one thing I noticed, something I’ve been in the business for most of my adult career. And I know that even at the Six Senses, that a thousand dollar a night experience can go down very fast.

If the willing is just in such bad shape, it could be clean. But if it’s ratty looking, you lost to lost the first impression. So we take, we spend a lot of time in maintaining the property. We don’t really do a lot of landscaping. We just clean it up ’cause we wanna keep it wild, not make it look like a subdivision, ’cause that’s just not. 

Brian Searl: Probably a good idea.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah. Yeah. So to have the kind of wild feel like you have these tents that just, that popped onto the middle of the wilderness, the look we’re going for. But we keep it clean. Yeah. We maintain it. And also we have as one of the emails you guys sent to asking about the check in and the checkout days.

Yeah. We do that for two reasons. One is operational the cleaning crew. We have two cleaning crews. They actually drive in from from Metro Atlanta. Not Atlanta Central, but somewhere in the area. And they have to make a living. They’re not gonna come for just one unit, two units. So we consolidate check-ins to three days.

It also helps the guests because we don’t have people on the property blowing the deck, vacuum cleaners. It’s very quiet. Yeah. So it’s like a show, the show starts and the show ends, and then we. 

Brian Searl: It’s a good way to put it. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: To get it ready for the next, the next show. So that’s how we operate and it works out great for us.

We get everything done and there’s nobody on the property. Some guests do stay over. We just let ’em know, Hey, we’re gonna have our crews on site getting but’s still rare. It happens. It’s happened three times and in three, almost three years. So yeah, is huge. 

Sandy Ellingson: I’m interested how much personal hospitality is involved in what you do?

How much interaction do you have with your guests or your staff have with your guests? 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Very little. We, if we’re on sites, we meet them, but to be honest, most of our guests, they’re like, if you tell ’em, Hey, do you want us to show you the tent? They’re like, we got it. Some of them wanna meet us, some of them don’t.

But you feel it’s very personal in different ways. There’s, I write a handwritten note to all the guests. We need them a little gift. So there’s different ways of doing luxury. It’s not just shoving people in your face with the whole kind of master servant type model. That’s very old school luxury.

So we don’t do that. We feel very taken care of and our guests love it, and they’re just left alone. So I say it’s a great place to go have an affair ’cause no one’s gonna know, no one’s. They wanna hide people that, don’t want paparazzi. We just.

Brian Searl: There’s no Coldplay playing next door or anything, or. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: What is it?

Brian Searl: There’s no Coldplay playing next door for. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: No, it, yeah. Unless you count the deer across the mountain, just keepers. 

Brian Searl: It is interesting. Go ahead. Please finish. I’m sorry, go ahead. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: No, I said it’s very private, so yeah, we don’t really the guests interact through what we created for them. Not so much we, in their face. 

Brian Searl: What you’re saying I think is so foundationally important to just understanding, like we all talk about experiences and that’s obviously very important. We all talk about the type of units and that’s very important. We talk about the landscaping and the design, but just that piece of, I think there’s often a mindset.

Between a lot of the operators that like, I wanna be friendly, I wanna meet the guests, I wanna be personal. And that for sure helps. And that is for sure a benefit and things that many people will remember and write about reviews. But I think it’s worth remembering sometimes that there are certain people who like it certain ways in certain people who like it.

Other ways. Like me, I went to I, I stayed in this old castle in Ireland a couple weeks ago and it was an Airbnb and we ended up being the only people in the, like it was just a tower, right? Like I wanted one that was really old and looked like a castle inside versus a, the queen’s esate or something.

So I wanted to know, I was in a castle inside and outside, and so it was an Airbnb, but and we had the note from the guest and or from the host who was there. And there’s four rooms in this tower and we’re all the way in the top and we’re the only people there. And it was like, just let me know.

I’m happy to come out and meet you. You can play with the dogs and all that kind of stuff. And I like, I thought about it for we only stayed there one night I really like to meet this woman, but like also. It feels like we’re just alone in this castle, and it’s just really cool to just be alone in this castle.

If there had been other guests there, maybe I would’ve met her and I don’t. So I went between both things and we never ended up meeting her. But it’s just interesting that push and pull between like, how both things can turn out to great experiences for different people. 

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Yeah. It’s just wasn’t sustainable for us.

We’re not a regular hotel. It’s like going back to the show example, you, the actors don’t greet to you before the show starts. You may get to meet them, maybe, or maybe not, but then you leave and you have a great time. We haven’t really heard any feedback from a guest.

They all love it. They, it’s also the details. We really pour over the details and that’s how you show you care.

Brian Searl: Yeah.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: It’s very clean. It’s spotless. My husband is, grew up in Germany and is just so obsessed with being very clean that the, he’s trained the crews really well. So they all have the little headlamps.

Which I know we’re a bit obsessive about that, but it helps, it shows. And we’re, sometimes things do get missed. That is a human condition, but we try not to. 

Brian Searl: Yeah, but it’s that, it, you’re right. It’s that care. It’s that attention to detail. It was like there’s another place and I just keep bringing up Ireland, but there’s another place ’cause it fits the conversation.

We stayed in a little cabin alongside the river and it was really well thought of. They had all the instructions. They told us how to use the hot tub outside and all the things and how to operate the automatic blinds that went up over the windows. But the one thing they didn’t, and I gave ’em feedback, but the one thing they didn’t is you went in the shower and there’s like a battery operated, like water, electric water heater thing.

And to turn on the shower, there’s a chain outside. There’s no dial. And so it took me like probably a minute and a half and I’m like, oh, it’s gotta be this chain. And I just pulled it and the water came on. But having that kind of instruction there but those little things. The attention to detail and everything else really can give you that same guided host experience if you put yourself in their shoes.

Sandy Ellingson: Yeah. And I really love what you said about how you don’t necessarily go out and greet your guests and meet ’em, but you’re right. Handwriting a note or you’re, leaving them a gift. And it reminded me of my travel years before I got into the outdoor hospitality glamping side of things, because I was blessed to be able to travel international, and there were a lot of hotels that we would go into where they did similar things, right?

They made me feel cared for and known. And I always say the difference between a hotel and a campground is I’ll walk into a hotel and that guest agent has no clue who I am. Even if I’m coming and going every single week there, they may never know. They don’t ask me my name. I can’t go across the hall and ask for sugar, right?

There’s no, there’s not the community in a hotel. There is in the campground where you feel like you’re all friends whether you’ve ever met or not. 

Brian Searl: But I think you should try to build a community in a hotel. Sandy, you would be a great person for that. I

Sandy Ellingson: would love it. I would love it. 

Brian Searl: I think should start a TikTok channel on knocking on people’s doors and asking for sugar.

Hannah Terry: Listen.

Brian Searl: I bet that would go viral. 

Sandy Ellingson: There was actually a video of me that went viral many years ago. I was going to a conference, I was getting on, I was on a Delta airplane and we were getting ready to take off out of Atlanta to travel to somewhere in Arizona. I don’t remember where the conference was, but I kind recognized a lot of my peeps.

I thought I knew who they were. So before we took off, I stood up and I said, okay, everybody who’s on this plane’s going to the conference, raise your hand. And it was like two thirds of the plane raise their hands. And I said, okay. I am the fun coordinator. Where are we meeting after we check in and somebody was recording me because they thought that I was about, when I stood up, they were worried about what was gonna happen and they were like recording me.

And it literally, I bet it had a hundred thousand views. Now most of it was employees of this organization, but hey, back then a hundred thousand views was a lot. So I would be the right person, Brian. 

Brian Searl: All right, I wanna see that. Then we’re gonna we’ll make that happen. We’ll sit down at OHI and we’ll talk about it.

We have a couple minutes left. Hannah I wanna get back to your, obviously the goat yoga question, but tell us about some of the amenities and experiences that people can do when they stay with you. 

Hannah Terry: Okay, so four and a half years ago I took on my first two goats, custard and mustard. And that was just because I wanted goats.

Not that I thought of what we could do goats. And then I just started doing some goat walking. It’s just small scale, just a few people, whoever was staying. And then I made a Facebook group and we did bookings through the Facebook page. And then having goats, it gets a little bit addictive.

So I’ve got two more the next year, two more the next year, and now I have a herd of 10 guys. 

Brian Searl: Do they all still rhyme with custard and mustard or did you lose that. 

Hannah Terry: Had to pause it. 

Brian Searl: Okay. 

Hannah Terry: Biscoff and Banoffee and things like Milkshake and Latte, that’s all. Yeah, their names. Yeah, so it just, then just more goats and then started to get a bit busier with the goat walking.

That became quite popular. And yeah, and then we’ve just been doing that for the past four and a half years. But a couple years ago I started doing Qigong with the goats and so many people don’t know what Qigong is. You say Tai Chi people have an idea. I was doing Qigong in a forest with my goats and they were. 

Brian Searl: Wait, you gotta tell us what, you gotta tell us what that is ’cause we don’t know.

Hannah Terry: Yeah, it’s similar to Tai Chi and Tai Chi’s more like you’re working with an opponent. But Qigong it’s, yeah, it’s not like that. There’s three and a half different thousand types of Qigong, so it’s hard to explain it, but it’s working with energy, okay. If you like, feel for any 

Brian Searl: Like Reiki or something like that or 

Hannah Terry: What’s that?

Brian Searl: Reiki? 

Hannah Terry: Yeah, it’s all Chi life force energy. Oh yeah. All the same thing. But it’s almost like harvesting that energy and it really makes everything fly in the body and I love it. And it’s really good. Health wise, I found it really good. So that’s what I began to do and then offered Qigong with goats and nobody really knows what Qigong is.

So anyway, I then did yoga with goats and this year is the first year that it’s taken off more. Yeah. 

Brian Searl: Okay. 

Hannah Terry: Some classes I’ve had, like last weekend I had 11 people in one and 10 people on Saturday. And then the weekend I had two people. So it’s been a bit up and down. But it’s definitely been a lot popular this year and I’ve found the thing I really enjoy.

The goat walking went a bit quiet this year, which is a shame ’cause I had some volunteers that have been with me for a year and I thought I’d be able to give him some goat walks and it was just so quiet this year. I don’t know why, but it just, they weren’t coming in. We’ve had a few, we had two today which is great and we’ve got some on Sunday.

But yeah, the goat yoga, I’ve definitely found my thing. But what’s really interesting is the people who come to stay camping or glamping are not the people that book the experiences. It’s 90% of people outside and, and I would like more people to come and want to do the experiences. But I don’t know why that is.

It just doesn’t seem to work out that way for some reason.

Brian Searl: It’s probably something to do with it, just the way you’re marketing yourself, not that you’re marketing yourself wrong, but that you just need to do a better job of tying the story together and reaching the, ’cause there are people out there who are crossovers, right?

And there are people who would do goat yoga that you can convert to people who would stay and people who would stay, who would be like I guess I’ll try that. And then they might love it. 

Hannah Terry: Yeah. It’s, I still get told that even local people say in the next town, 10 miles away and they’ll say, I didn’t even know you were here.

Brian Searl: Yes. 

Hannah Terry: I get a lot of that. I get, and so many people do say that and Get Your Guide. I’ve had to use recently for the goat yoga, but they take 30%, don’t they? It’s a lot. 

Brian Searl: You can do. Yeah. 30% of 30% of something in your pocket is still better than nothing in your pocket.

Hannah Terry: Yeah, I know. I know.

Brian Searl: So you shouldn’t rely on them forever, but yeah.

But that’s like you could do the best marketing in the entire world. I remember that. Something stuck out to me. There’s like a, there’s Twin Falls KOA in Idaho. I used to work with the former owners there, Oscar and Kim Kanza, and years ago I was at their property 2013, 2014. We were doing videos of Oscar around at different attractions and stuff.

And one of the things he said to me was like, we’ve been here for 50 years across, my dad owned it before me, and still people in the town, five minutes down the street have no idea that we’re here. And he was right off the highway with a big, huge yellow KOA sign. And yeah, like the marketing helps, but you’re always gonna have that new audience that you can reach if you think about ways to tell the story, and.

Hannah Terry: Yeah, there’s something definitely out, I’m not doing quite right because there’s a bigger commercial one for goat walking. Who’s, I don’t know, about 25 miles away from here. And I think they, they get a decent amount of people in, but they’re offering like a half an hour experience and we offer an hour and a half.

And it’s, it is got really personal ’cause they’re our pets and and people who come, they just, they love it. They love it. So I know we are offering real quality. But of course they’d bigger phone that have lots of other stuff going on as well. It’s just half an hour goat walks. Yeah, I don’t know.

There’s something maybe in marketing that’s not so good. I dunno.

Brian Searl: Try that. Try the airport, raise your prices by 30% and put yourself on Airbnb experiences or whatever and see if it works out for you. 

Hannah Terry: Yeah I’m on the goat walking and Get Your Guide. Yeah, I do that. Yeah, I’m on goat walking Airbnb.

I get some goat walks come through. 

Brian Searl: Sandy’s trying to duck out. You had a hard stop at three Sandy. That’s a minute from now. 

Sandy Ellingson: Yep. I just wanted to say bye. It was wonderful. Nice to meet you guys.

Hannah Terry: You too, Sandy. 

Brian Searl: Thank you, Sandy. I appreciate it. Final thoughts, we gotta wrap up here. Hannah, where can they learn more about what you’re offering and potentially can stay with you?

Hannah Terry: Okay, yep. We are wildwoodlandretreat.co.uk. So that’s how you find us. Yeah goat yoga, goat walking. If we have one Shepherd’s huts with some camping. I do have Facebook, Instagram page as well. 

Brian Searl: Do you have a website too? Did I miss that? Sorry. 

Hannah Terry: Yeah, that’s the Wildwoodland Retreat. 

Brian Searl: Okay. Sorry, I, my fault.

Sangeetha, where can they any final thoughts or I guess final thoughts to you first? Hannah, I apologize, I didn’t ask that to you. Like I said, where can they learn more about you? But any final thoughts about our conversation? 

Hannah Terry: No, not really. Just that’s, my mind is blank, I’m like no. No, nothing that comes to mind at the moment.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: No final thoughts from me as well. Yeah, on our website is dunyacamp.com. We’re also on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. 

Brian Searl: I really appreciate you, both of us, joining us. It was wonderful to hear about your property, Hannah. I wish you all the bet, like you’ll figure it out, right? You’ll figure out how to attract the people and what accommodations to use.

And I’m excited. Maybe we can have you back on the show to learn more about what you’ve done in a little bit. And Sangeetha, I really appreciate you joining us as well. We gotta figure out a way to share some of these properties and look at pictures and things on the show to you. I’d love to do that. Just share that with our audience, but. 

Hannah Terry: No, that would be good. Yeah. Baby goats. Yeah. I have, do you get Yeah, 

Brian Searl: that’s, can we do baby goats? I forgot to, can we.

Hannah Terry: I have just purchased four baby goats. ’cause I was getting withdrawal symptoms already. Not being able to do goat yoga during the winter.

And I have this small cabin in here, like five by four meters. And so I thought I could have four people. And four baby goats. So that’s what’s happening by. 

Brian Searl: Alright. My girlfriend will be on a plane then and she’s she’s interested in baby goats, but when they get to adults, she wants to get rid of ’em.

Anyway, thank you. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of MC Fireside Chats. If you’re not sick and tired of hearing of me yet, in about an hour, we have another live podcast called Outwired, where I work with Scott Bahr from, where he works with KOA to do the North American Caming reports.

Really good data analysis guy. And we’re gonna talk about how to decide when you want to convert an RV site into glamping. And then as always, the show’s called Outwired. We talk a lot about AI and robotics and the coming innovations and the way our world is going to change. So if you’re not sick and tired of me, join me for that episode in about an hour.

Otherwise, we will see you next week on another episode of MC Fireside Chats. Thank you to Sangeetha, Mike, Sandy and Hannah, and we hope you have a great day.

We’ll see you next week. Thanks guys.

Sangeetha Ramkumar: Thank you.

Hannah Terry: See ya.